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we hope to launch an all new version in the future sometime, with effective spam blocking.
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Poem is a strange type of literature, isnt it?
That did stop ...if it detected you watching it, thereby teaching you the old wives saying.
be able to rate ideas +1 / -1 and sort either side of the zero point
Invite them into your garden. Invite them in...
heres an idea. Lets not have christmas for one year and see if England can cope without the festivitiies to look forward to. think of all the shops that would lose profit just because a couple of days were cancelled....
and think of all those kids. the kids would be very very disappointed if "santa" never came, but i reckon the parents would be enormously happy at the thought of all the money they would save on presents, decorations,food and booze.
england would look different too. no trees. no lights
it would be AWEFUL!!
NEVER BAN XMAS I SAY
and think of all those kids. the kids would be very very disappointed if "santa" never came, but i reckon the parents would be enormously happy at the thought of all the money they would save on presents, decorations,food and booze.
england would look different too. no trees. no lights
it would be AWEFUL!!
NEVER BAN XMAS I SAY
never ever write a report on Tesco. It is very pointless and has a lot of hardwork for nothing
never ever write a report on Tesco. It is very pointless and has a lot of hardwork for nothing. i had to write 2 reports on the systems of Tesco. i have an idea. LETS WRITE REPORTS ON WHATEVER WE WANT
Giving a lot of thought to Celtic history lately.
Particularly the Celtic shaman and his role within the tribe...
Particularly the Celtic shaman and his role within the tribe...
Okay.I'll tell some more...Information about
the Celtic shaman is quite hard to track down.
Caitlin Matthews is one writer who has written
a few books (with her partner) about Celtic
shamanism. (For further reading.)
When you consider that a shaman apparently
walks between different worlds ( like the aboriginal dreamtime... ) to recover peoples' lost souls or soul parts....isn't that fascinating ? When you relate that to the sociological and psychological studies for western society...but also history....to dance and art...to invention.... history...
think on it...
In this time we are aparently "civilised"and we no need for shamans....but when you look around you can see that really isn't quite the case at all....shall I write more ?
the Celtic shaman is quite hard to track down.
Caitlin Matthews is one writer who has written
a few books (with her partner) about Celtic
shamanism. (For further reading.)
When you consider that a shaman apparently
walks between different worlds ( like the aboriginal dreamtime... ) to recover peoples' lost souls or soul parts....isn't that fascinating ? When you relate that to the sociological and psychological studies for western society...but also history....to dance and art...to invention.... history...
think on it...
In this time we are aparently "civilised"and we no need for shamans....but when you look around you can see that really isn't quite the case at all....shall I write more ?
care to tell us more ?
it is adventurous and has magic and dragons and romance
only 50 ?? cost me more I reckon...
and a chaos wizard costs 50 points .. ? :)
swords of course !
Might it be instructive to now when these ideas were included?
I suggested this not as an "upgrade", but having just added my own and first 'idea' it might be interesting to see if there are any prevailing sociological, societal, political or temporal connection(s) to the ideas displayed.
It's just a thought.
I suggested this not as an "upgrade", but having just added my own and first 'idea' it might be interesting to see if there are any prevailing sociological, societal, political or temporal connection(s) to the ideas displayed.
It's just a thought.
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Well?
Answers on a postcard to...
Though in truth this leads me to my childhood. This is not so much an idea per se as a thought - possibly brought on by the previous "favourite book..." - but does it appear to others that as one gets older we seem to receive more and more hints of what one was like as a child? Lately I seem to be inundated with these strange moments of "that's from my childhood" followed by odd feelings. And I'm not referring to seeing some awful TV programme on TV. Possibly, and here there is perhaps some facsmilie of thought or idea, the older we become, the more attached we become to our youth. Especially and including those of us who are resolutely lacking in any feeling of nostalgia (or nos-tal-gee-ahhh, as David Sylvian sings).
I dunno...
Do you?
Well?
Answers on a postcard to...
Though in truth this leads me to my childhood. This is not so much an idea per se as a thought - possibly brought on by the previous "favourite book..." - but does it appear to others that as one gets older we seem to receive more and more hints of what one was like as a child? Lately I seem to be inundated with these strange moments of "that's from my childhood" followed by odd feelings. And I'm not referring to seeing some awful TV programme on TV. Possibly, and here there is perhaps some facsmilie of thought or idea, the older we become, the more attached we become to our youth. Especially and including those of us who are resolutely lacking in any feeling of nostalgia (or nos-tal-gee-ahhh, as David Sylvian sings).
I dunno...
Do you?
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Well?
I dunno either....never heard of it at all.
Well?
I dunno either....never heard of it at all.
.. has got to be "fire and hemlock" by diana wynne jones (for me).
strangely, it seems to fit all kinds of advanced ideas and stories into easy-to-understand writing - or was that just my imagination ? :)
also, it has that key quality of (like star wars), having elements of classic fables mixed in ..
anyway, it beats harry potter anyday in my book =)
strangely, it seems to fit all kinds of advanced ideas and stories into easy-to-understand writing - or was that just my imagination ? :)
also, it has that key quality of (like star wars), having elements of classic fables mixed in ..
anyway, it beats harry potter anyday in my book =)
STD pamphlets beat harry potter in my book..
sadly ...
I know. I'll fix it when I get time... planning lots of other improvements too.
Here's a quick thought -- someone said to me the other day that the main focus of any company, corporate or otherwise, is the bottom line. This got me thinking about... why?
Of course, every company has to at least break even, and preferably make a little profit for growth, but why the main focus? Companies also have to do stock control to stay in business, but that doesn't mean stock control is the company's main focus. Nor HR. Nor legal issues. Nor paying the tax bill.
So how about making up other indicies of how successful a company is, and let them motivate your business. Focusing on money is purely arbitrary anyway, so why not make something else arbitrary, such as,
-- fun in the workplace
-- innovation and creativity
-- cultural worth
-- low environmental impact
and work towards maximising that instead of profit? Of course money is still necessary, but only in the way that stock control is useful...
Of course, every company has to at least break even, and preferably make a little profit for growth, but why the main focus? Companies also have to do stock control to stay in business, but that doesn't mean stock control is the company's main focus. Nor HR. Nor legal issues. Nor paying the tax bill.
So how about making up other indicies of how successful a company is, and let them motivate your business. Focusing on money is purely arbitrary anyway, so why not make something else arbitrary, such as,
-- fun in the workplace
-- innovation and creativity
-- cultural worth
-- low environmental impact
and work towards maximising that instead of profit? Of course money is still necessary, but only in the way that stock control is useful...
a cross between ideas box and those internet games like everquest ..
not quite sure how it would work, but .. :)
not quite sure how it would work, but .. :)
Sounds like a new model for a networked world...
so instead of continents and countries, you had different viewpoints, and isolated groups growing up that were exploring particular ideas & projects ..
Dinasaurs GM'd to be pocketable. Like cold-blooded tamagotchi. It's gonna be big.
skooba@gmail.com
skooba@gmail.com
Dinasaurs GM'd to be pocketable. Like cold-blooded tamagotchi. It's gonna be big.
skooba@gmail.com
I will pay a grand to any man be he tall or small that can get me one of these beasts - dr.cyan
skooba@gmail.com
I will pay a grand to any man be he tall or small that can get me one of these beasts - dr.cyan
It's about 3 ninjas that have ben trained to have powers like water, or fire. But there are vampires trying to strike.
The vampires have powers too!
Why do cars have built in lights, but not bicycles? Weird. You could make really cool looking LED ones, kind of wrapped around the handle bars, with the batteries inside the tubing. They couldn't get kicked that way either...
Yes, but would you have to hacksaw through the frame to change the battery?
Or stolen...
create a videogame based on the arena football league
I used to play Blood Bowl! I guess it's changed a fair bit since I used to play it though. I only really used to play it's variant, Dungeon Bowl, which I thought was much better... :)
Plenty of old (and new) GW games are ripe for conversion I think. Anyone remember Dark Future? :)
Plenty of old (and new) GW games are ripe for conversion I think. Anyone remember Dark Future? :)
when are they gonna bring out a video game of blood bowl?
That would be really cool, someone should try to have EA sports make it. They have the money and the graphics
I read a relatively sane right wing American commentator (a rare beast indeed) the other day, saying how he and his compatriots couldn't understand how FOX has such a split personality, i.e., how FOX News is the bastion of the right, whereas FOX entertainment channels are the font of moral degredation and corruption of 'family values'.
What these people still don't get is that FOX, along with most of large corporations, don't have a moral, ethical or politcal agenda. They're not on the side of these right wing people. They just want to make money. And they're pretty efficient about it.
So FOX doesn't have a split personality at all. They've just realised that they can make a lot of money with right orientated scare mongering news, and with purile, morally degrading entertainment. And as they don't have any kind of agenda, there's no contradiction for them there at all.
What these people still don't get is that FOX, along with most of large corporations, don't have a moral, ethical or politcal agenda. They're not on the side of these right wing people. They just want to make money. And they're pretty efficient about it.
So FOX doesn't have a split personality at all. They've just realised that they can make a lot of money with right orientated scare mongering news, and with purile, morally degrading entertainment. And as they don't have any kind of agenda, there's no contradiction for them there at all.
do we want to be able to identify who said what in the dialogue?
I don't know who anybody is...but I don't
mind user id...or my name...
mind user id...or my name...
Yes, so am I - I know who you are, for example .. :)
I am already starting to recognise some posters' writing styles and forming mental pictures of them.
cheeky ;)
i completely agree :)
[ben]
[ben]
That's the point - it's totally anonymous. Content driven, not personality/discussion driven.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will each their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
each member at the birth is given an opportunity to hold and hand in whenever the chance to leave is required with all the grace and openness that welcomed them in.
How are we going to get away from pleasure and pain?
Does it ? did it ? Now I'll have to see for myself !!
Does it ? did it ? Now I'll have to see for myself !!
Do we need to get away from pleasure and pain? I'm with Aristotle on this one - these things aren't inherently bad (in fact, a lot of them are inherently good), it's just excess, and, importantly, deficit that are to be avoided. In other words, live according to the right rule, take responsibility for your actions and for the moment at hand (response being the root of the word responsibility). This is (nearly) all reflected in Buddhism too, especially Zen.
So, in a way, what both Aristotle and Buddism are advocating is getting away from pleasure and pain, simply by being their master, not the other way around...
So, in a way, what both Aristotle and Buddism are advocating is getting away from pleasure and pain, simply by being their master, not the other way around...
1 - does soap work underwater?
Depending on the soap to hand...so to speak...
um generally yes...but is there a soap melting
scale ??
um generally yes...but is there a soap melting
scale ??
i'll look into it :)
That would depend on how much water you were in and how much soap you had :) But in theory, yes, so long as you could get decent contact with the surface you were washing, and the concentration of the soap was high enough in the water.
Try washing yourself in the bath and see what happens!
Try washing yourself in the bath and see what happens!
does it clean? can you wash fully submerged?
"work" how?
The Indian election left me stunned. Mere arithmetic of seats threw up the prospect of Sonia becoming the prime minister. It was hailed as the triumph of democracy and for some glorified souls darkness passed. Democracy was abused and violated on the national stage and for many apolitical people it felt like witnessing that fateful Mumbai train rape episode without any controls in their tiny hands.
Today the high act of power transition is over. A political sacrifice has left genuine issues in utter ruins. A moral high ground of a person of a curious background has created a potentially dangerous weapon.
It is now in the hands of those people who would use it for their own interests. Obviously the first to claim price for this sacrifice are Gandhi’s of Feroz variety. Sacrifices also have classes and categories. They shine different sheens and yield unequal dividends. Vedic people knew it very well and often scarified unabashedly to gain higher dividends. Sonia understands this too. It was not the question of democracy or the people or the party she primed for it was the question of legacy of her acquired family. To accept the prime minister ship was the difficult route to keep that legacy intact. To deliver what was expected from that sacred surname under the current scenario is not an easy task. With ideologically (whatever ideology that might be) strongest opponent, an idiosyncratic governing partner in the form of left which is good for nothing when it comes to shouldering the responsibility for greater goods and pumped up expectations of the populous it is Herculean task for a first timer. The sacrifice is a far easier route. It has achieved most of her objectives. The legacy is shining more than ever. Her progeny is in the wings and with this sacrifice it has acquired immense unchallengeable stature in the Indian politic. A high visibility sacrifice as correctly is said a masterstroke with keeping eyes on the next election (which every one expects in near future) where party is expected to pitch their ace candidate Priyanka.
However again democracy has lost. The oldest party though for the time being has given a puppet prime ministerial candidate or should we say a sacrificial lamb has more than ever has become a fiefdom of G’s. The gullible personality cultic populace continues its dream of democracy.
This sacrifice is a potential weapon to all those Jesuits against the lesser faiths absurd it may seem at first but for those who are aware the way these silent terrorists work will be evident. A roman catholic has lived the tradition of the greatest soul Jesus and has strengthened the secularist fabric of the Indian culture against the ‘nationalistic Hindu fundamentalists’ whatever that term may indicate. A progressive christen has affirmed his faith in modern values while fanatics (conveniently their religion) have demonstrated their narrow mindedness and retrograde mentality towards it.
While all those who are aware how the west is still in it’s under veiled racist supremacy. This has given an intellectual satisfaction that a white (wo) man has shouldered his (her) racial responsibility towards the lesser civilization. The sacrifice of this stature cannot be expected from the petty mortals packaged in brown skins.
On the other hand the weapon has taken and will continue to take heavy toll on the nationalistic sentiments. It has already created a rift. What is Indian nation and what is Indian identity? For many people like me it has put a question mark on the achievements that we are always proud of. It is a heavy burden on the assertion of ethnic Indians abilities. Well assimilation cannot be merited if it has no discretion to it. It is a toll on the pragmatic consideration of India as a geo-ethnic identity, which cannot be wished away.
This sacrifice for personal gains, glorified by the media has left me with helplessness. I am watching the shattered dream in disbelief.
Today the high act of power transition is over. A political sacrifice has left genuine issues in utter ruins. A moral high ground of a person of a curious background has created a potentially dangerous weapon.
It is now in the hands of those people who would use it for their own interests. Obviously the first to claim price for this sacrifice are Gandhi’s of Feroz variety. Sacrifices also have classes and categories. They shine different sheens and yield unequal dividends. Vedic people knew it very well and often scarified unabashedly to gain higher dividends. Sonia understands this too. It was not the question of democracy or the people or the party she primed for it was the question of legacy of her acquired family. To accept the prime minister ship was the difficult route to keep that legacy intact. To deliver what was expected from that sacred surname under the current scenario is not an easy task. With ideologically (whatever ideology that might be) strongest opponent, an idiosyncratic governing partner in the form of left which is good for nothing when it comes to shouldering the responsibility for greater goods and pumped up expectations of the populous it is Herculean task for a first timer. The sacrifice is a far easier route. It has achieved most of her objectives. The legacy is shining more than ever. Her progeny is in the wings and with this sacrifice it has acquired immense unchallengeable stature in the Indian politic. A high visibility sacrifice as correctly is said a masterstroke with keeping eyes on the next election (which every one expects in near future) where party is expected to pitch their ace candidate Priyanka.
However again democracy has lost. The oldest party though for the time being has given a puppet prime ministerial candidate or should we say a sacrificial lamb has more than ever has become a fiefdom of G’s. The gullible personality cultic populace continues its dream of democracy.
This sacrifice is a potential weapon to all those Jesuits against the lesser faiths absurd it may seem at first but for those who are aware the way these silent terrorists work will be evident. A roman catholic has lived the tradition of the greatest soul Jesus and has strengthened the secularist fabric of the Indian culture against the ‘nationalistic Hindu fundamentalists’ whatever that term may indicate. A progressive christen has affirmed his faith in modern values while fanatics (conveniently their religion) have demonstrated their narrow mindedness and retrograde mentality towards it.
While all those who are aware how the west is still in it’s under veiled racist supremacy. This has given an intellectual satisfaction that a white (wo) man has shouldered his (her) racial responsibility towards the lesser civilization. The sacrifice of this stature cannot be expected from the petty mortals packaged in brown skins.
On the other hand the weapon has taken and will continue to take heavy toll on the nationalistic sentiments. It has already created a rift. What is Indian nation and what is Indian identity? For many people like me it has put a question mark on the achievements that we are always proud of. It is a heavy burden on the assertion of ethnic Indians abilities. Well assimilation cannot be merited if it has no discretion to it. It is a toll on the pragmatic consideration of India as a geo-ethnic identity, which cannot be wished away.
This sacrifice for personal gains, glorified by the media has left me with helplessness. I am watching the shattered dream in disbelief.
despite being surrounded by lush vegetation, giant pandas will only eat bamboo - and can only digest one fifth of all they eat. because they are solitary and females are only sexually active for two months of the year, chances of meeting at the right time - let alone successful reproduction - are very slim. they typically have only one cub, which will be born blind, bald and defenceless and over half of all offspring don’t see out the first year. the most common cause of death? the mother rolls over and suffocates them in her sleep…
?!?!?
?!?!?
...which gave me a writing idea. That's cool.
yeahhhh... still.
*broth and bubbles flow from ears*
*broth and bubbles flow from ears*
'...least number of...' or some such thing would probably have worked under the circumstances :)
or even fewest... "least" can't be grammatically correct in that context...
brain dribble... watch it flow...
brain dribble... watch it flow...
the ones with the least warts?
Ha! I have to let stuff incubate for a year or two... the development funnel and all that, working out which frogs to kiss :)
no such thing as slow inspiration with me... if i don't harness it straight away, i forget it. which is probably for the best, but hey...
> well... i've now written a children's book based on it.
That was quick work :)
> but all inspiration is good inspiration.
Aye aye aye...
That was quick work :)
> but all inspiration is good inspiration.
Aye aye aye...
well... i've now written a children's book based on it.
and had another dream which lead to half a weird short story.
but all inspiration is good inspiration.
and had another dream which lead to half a weird short story.
but all inspiration is good inspiration.
Care to tell us more? :)
Transformers the game on PS2!
Well I've got plums from the tree out the back, and I'm going to make plum ice cream ;)
JSA, problems caused by, a solution to.
The cost of administering the endless hoops through which a doley must jump in order not to be summarily dismissed, would be eliminated by paying £45 pw to every adult in the country.
Payments to the employed would be recouped through income tax, thus amalgamating two processes of means testing and allowing the Jobcentre staff to concentrate on helping people- eg by networking with local employers and matching jobseekers up on a one-to-one basis.
The cost of administering the endless hoops through which a doley must jump in order not to be summarily dismissed, would be eliminated by paying £45 pw to every adult in the country.
Payments to the employed would be recouped through income tax, thus amalgamating two processes of means testing and allowing the Jobcentre staff to concentrate on helping people- eg by networking with local employers and matching jobseekers up on a one-to-one basis.
www.citizensincome.org
From industrial to information revolution. There's talk of ripping it down as it's 'unusable'. Yet the building still stand up, why not use the towers as wi fi antennas? Then we could have internet access in battersea park, sitting by the river. A working picnic. Ahhhh!
.. an italian with a rubber toe ?
...Russell.
.. an italian with a rubber toe ?
lol
What do you call a man in a paper suit?
lol
What do you call a man in a paper suit?
.. an italian with a rubber toe ?
Now I found that funny ;)
Now I found that funny ;)
roberto.
... watch tv regularly and eat only processed food.
Don't question authority
...don't set yourself on fire...
...don't run when holding a knife...
...Only buy music you hear on audition type TV programs or adverts...
... become obsessed with your own projects ;P
... only buy vehicles with a low miles per gallon rating.
... do not speak with the person sitting next to you.
... only shop from large retail chains.
Excuse me if this isn't as deep as the other ideas but I'm not one for your Dawson's Creek style middle class white guilt ridden nonsense.
I proposed that people throwing litter out of their cars are stopped and ordered to walk home after having their car crushed.
I work in a fairly rural area and have been known to jettison the odd apple core where I know people won't be walking and where I know the little beasties will munch away on it and probably be quite happy, but to even consider throwing a choccy bar wrapper or crisp packet out seems daft as heck.
This includes you people who throw their fag buts out of the car. You shouldn't smoke and drive anyway and isn't that an ashtray down there in your dashboard?
I proposed that people throwing litter out of their cars are stopped and ordered to walk home after having their car crushed.
I work in a fairly rural area and have been known to jettison the odd apple core where I know people won't be walking and where I know the little beasties will munch away on it and probably be quite happy, but to even consider throwing a choccy bar wrapper or crisp packet out seems daft as heck.
This includes you people who throw their fag buts out of the car. You shouldn't smoke and drive anyway and isn't that an ashtray down there in your dashboard?
people do things according what results those actions achieve for them, so throwing trash out of your car window is fine if you know that you won't be later walking through it.
if my view of 'what is right' doesn't happen to include a sense of collective responsibility and no authority is effectively enforcing it, my behaviour will be consistently defined purely by the parameters of what suits me best.
the only thing that religion has ever been any good for - if we set aside the purported psychological benefits - is to enforce a set of social norms that allow for the smooth functioning of society. in other words, to engender respect. in a properly functioning theocracy, this way those of us aren't born with a solid understanding of how to act can always be brought into line with what society demands. now that christianity is on the wane we are losing a carefully designed set of behavioural guidelines that have been gradually developing since the actions of the nicene council in AD325. as this method of social control breaks down, the power (and responsibilty) for ensuring that people do as they're told has been increasingly transferred to the state. yet government laws lack the authenticity of religious ones - i may be fined or imprisoned for behaving 'incorrectly' but try as they may, the police simply cannot match the threat of eternal damnation.
we are rapidly outgrowing the carrot and stick morality of orthodox judao-christianity, so unless you happen to have the 'correct' sense of right and wrong, conforming with modern western morality is much like being told to do something without being given a good reason for doing it.
if my view of 'what is right' doesn't happen to include a sense of collective responsibility and no authority is effectively enforcing it, my behaviour will be consistently defined purely by the parameters of what suits me best.
the only thing that religion has ever been any good for - if we set aside the purported psychological benefits - is to enforce a set of social norms that allow for the smooth functioning of society. in other words, to engender respect. in a properly functioning theocracy, this way those of us aren't born with a solid understanding of how to act can always be brought into line with what society demands. now that christianity is on the wane we are losing a carefully designed set of behavioural guidelines that have been gradually developing since the actions of the nicene council in AD325. as this method of social control breaks down, the power (and responsibilty) for ensuring that people do as they're told has been increasingly transferred to the state. yet government laws lack the authenticity of religious ones - i may be fined or imprisoned for behaving 'incorrectly' but try as they may, the police simply cannot match the threat of eternal damnation.
we are rapidly outgrowing the carrot and stick morality of orthodox judao-christianity, so unless you happen to have the 'correct' sense of right and wrong, conforming with modern western morality is much like being told to do something without being given a good reason for doing it.
To not care about something is quite alright and allowed. I suggest that you change these people's ways in a Bodhisattva style. No other enforcement is feasible.
I am a vegetarian...and if I am truthful considered myself for along time as morally superior to non-veggies : )
I realise now how foolish I was, I was happily munching away on the pesticide-loaded, possibly gm'd up veggies from a supermarket chain.
Yes, what great ethics I had.
So yes "unthinking selfishness" rings truth .....I had to think long and hard about my role as a consumer, but also my responsibility to my physical health, the environment, you know, to recycle my refuse as ethically and safely as possible.
The tons of rubbish we make......
I realise now how foolish I was, I was happily munching away on the pesticide-loaded, possibly gm'd up veggies from a supermarket chain.
Yes, what great ethics I had.
So yes "unthinking selfishness" rings truth .....I had to think long and hard about my role as a consumer, but also my responsibility to my physical health, the environment, you know, to recycle my refuse as ethically and safely as possible.
The tons of rubbish we make......
I quite agree, it's very representative of the generally reprehensibly anti-social behaviour of probably the vast majority of people these days.
This type of behaviour is obviously completely selfish, but does it stem from thinking selfishness or unthinking selfishness? In other words, have they thought about the consequences of their actions and simply don't care, or do they not even think about it?
I remember someone saying to me relatively recently, "I know my shopping habits are completely irresponsible [i.e., causing human pain, misery, and suffering, as well as environmental damage and cultural degredation], but why should I care?"
Kind of made me sick...
This type of behaviour is obviously completely selfish, but does it stem from thinking selfishness or unthinking selfishness? In other words, have they thought about the consequences of their actions and simply don't care, or do they not even think about it?
I remember someone saying to me relatively recently, "I know my shopping habits are completely irresponsible [i.e., causing human pain, misery, and suffering, as well as environmental damage and cultural degredation], but why should I care?"
Kind of made me sick...
Quite agree.
Middle Class White Guilt Ridden Bullshitter
Middle Class White Guilt Ridden Bullshitter
This seemingly unsolvable problem always a hot (pun intended) topic at this time of year, so maybe we can hammer something out?
So, to kick things off, here's one that seems practical, but is probably seriously flawed once given deeper though:
Why not stick an extra car at the back of each train with the air conditioning gear in it? Maybe it would only need to be a half length car or something. All the carriages would need to be retrofitted with the ducting necessary to bring the conditioned air into the train from the special car, which would obviously cost, but there would be no need for a bulky unit in each one - the ducts could probably be internal and wouldn't take up much space - wide, flat ones across the ceiling for example
I guess it would have a knock-on effect on network traffic, having slightly longer trains, but it would probably be small, and the length of the trains would be a problem... as is the question of the extra power usage and how the extra air being sucked would effect the tube's whole complicated pressure control system. And needless to say there's the cost... but even if the system was effective enough for a drop of a couple of degree C it would be worth it :)
So, to kick things off, here's one that seems practical, but is probably seriously flawed once given deeper though:
Why not stick an extra car at the back of each train with the air conditioning gear in it? Maybe it would only need to be a half length car or something. All the carriages would need to be retrofitted with the ducting necessary to bring the conditioned air into the train from the special car, which would obviously cost, but there would be no need for a bulky unit in each one - the ducts could probably be internal and wouldn't take up much space - wide, flat ones across the ceiling for example
I guess it would have a knock-on effect on network traffic, having slightly longer trains, but it would probably be small, and the length of the trains would be a problem... as is the question of the extra power usage and how the extra air being sucked would effect the tube's whole complicated pressure control system. And needless to say there's the cost... but even if the system was effective enough for a drop of a couple of degree C it would be worth it :)
Nay, I disagree. Of course, the tunnel system is nearly closed, but so are a lot of systems. So's a kitchen, pretty much, but the fridge still manages to pump energy out of itself - it just warms the kitchen a bit.
So likewise on the tube, the carriages would be cooled a bit by pumping heat out of them and into the tunnels. So the tunnel system overall would stay at the same temperature, it's just that the heat would be re-distributed a little bit.
So likewise on the tube, the carriages would be cooled a bit by pumping heat out of them and into the tunnels. So the tunnel system overall would stay at the same temperature, it's just that the heat would be re-distributed a little bit.
The tunnels are a nearly-closed system. There would be no point in air con underground, the heat given off would negate the cooling.
There could be refrigerators on the surface cycling fluid- ie water- between the tunnels and the surface. Trains could exchange tepid water for cool at each station, akin to fighter planes refueling in midair. There might be planning issues with enormous refrigerators on the surface though.
There is a cooling effect when the pressure of a gas drops. Perhaps we should turn every train into a high-speed nozzle.
There could be refrigerators on the surface cycling fluid- ie water- between the tunnels and the surface. Trains could exchange tepid water for cool at each station, akin to fighter planes refueling in midair. There might be planning issues with enormous refrigerators on the surface though.
There is a cooling effect when the pressure of a gas drops. Perhaps we should turn every train into a high-speed nozzle.
Are we subjected to a constant battle from
our self-destructive impulses ?
Over-indulging our senses in anything that detracts from creative thought....
or what we should be attending too....the constant battle of the spiritual higher consciousness over the gross, base physical self. The human complaint....
our self-destructive impulses ?
Over-indulging our senses in anything that detracts from creative thought....
or what we should be attending too....the constant battle of the spiritual higher consciousness over the gross, base physical self. The human complaint....
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Over-indulging our senses in anything that detracts from creative thought....
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Quite... the overriding question of opulence verses luxury, that which softens and pits the mind and sense as it does the body, verses that which heightens the senses and mind.
The Romans actually had two words for 'luxury' (from which derive that word), which I can't remember off the top of my head... luxuria and luxos, or something like that, indicating an important conceptual divide between the two meanings in their culture - unfortunately, only one meaning seems to have survived into our own.
So, we're stuck with our senses, for all intents and purposes, so the question is whether we use them or succumb to them. Participate in gross over-indulgence and opulence for its own sake, in indulge in a truer meaning of the word 'luxury' - use and enjoy our senses to the upmost, not for their own sake, but as a necessary means of heightening the mind.
Using this meaning, I would intrepret luxury as an essential for the considered, intellectual life - and as Socrates said, "The best life is the considered life."
Over-indulging our senses in anything that detracts from creative thought....
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Quite... the overriding question of opulence verses luxury, that which softens and pits the mind and sense as it does the body, verses that which heightens the senses and mind.
The Romans actually had two words for 'luxury' (from which derive that word), which I can't remember off the top of my head... luxuria and luxos, or something like that, indicating an important conceptual divide between the two meanings in their culture - unfortunately, only one meaning seems to have survived into our own.
So, we're stuck with our senses, for all intents and purposes, so the question is whether we use them or succumb to them. Participate in gross over-indulgence and opulence for its own sake, in indulge in a truer meaning of the word 'luxury' - use and enjoy our senses to the upmost, not for their own sake, but as a necessary means of heightening the mind.
Using this meaning, I would intrepret luxury as an essential for the considered, intellectual life - and as Socrates said, "The best life is the considered life."
Shamelessly pinched from Adbusters vol. 11 no. 5, who pinched it from John Raulston Saul's Voltaire's Bastards:
Just how confused we are by what we mean by individualism can most easily be seem by looking at the west from the outside. Buddhist societies are horrified by a great deal in the West, but the element which horrifies them most is our obsession with ourselves as an object of unending interest. By their standards nothing could be unhealthier than a guilt-ridden, self-obsessed, proselytising white male or female, selling God or democracy or liberalism or capitalism with insistent superior modesty. It is clear to the Buddhist that this individual understand neither herself nor his place. He is ill at ease with his role; mal dans sa peau; a hypocrite taking out her frustrations on the world.
As for the contemporary liberated Westerner, who thinks himself relaxed, friendly, open, in tune with himself and eager to be in tune with others -- he comes across as even more revolting. He suffers from the same confused superiority as his guilt ridden predessecor but has further confused himself by pretending that he doesn't feel superior. While the Westerner does not see or consciously understand this , the outsider sees it immediately.
Just how confused we are by what we mean by individualism can most easily be seem by looking at the west from the outside. Buddhist societies are horrified by a great deal in the West, but the element which horrifies them most is our obsession with ourselves as an object of unending interest. By their standards nothing could be unhealthier than a guilt-ridden, self-obsessed, proselytising white male or female, selling God or democracy or liberalism or capitalism with insistent superior modesty. It is clear to the Buddhist that this individual understand neither herself nor his place. He is ill at ease with his role; mal dans sa peau; a hypocrite taking out her frustrations on the world.
As for the contemporary liberated Westerner, who thinks himself relaxed, friendly, open, in tune with himself and eager to be in tune with others -- he comes across as even more revolting. He suffers from the same confused superiority as his guilt ridden predessecor but has further confused himself by pretending that he doesn't feel superior. While the Westerner does not see or consciously understand this , the outsider sees it immediately.
I hate to say it (yes, I, I, I because that is all I know in this world, and all I am certain of) but I'm always suspicious of people who write at great length on this subject, because the obsession with casting aside self-absorption is generally another form of it, whereby the person is saying "Look at me! I know self-absorption is wrong".
It's certainly my own prejudice but I put these people in my mind alongside those who campaign against... oh, let's say pornography, but basically spend their time steeped in it because there's a secret attraction.
Besides, I think what looks like "insistent superior modesty" may actually be a form of desperate struggle to make a mark on existence. Even Marx, who was more about the collective than the individual, felt that humans were born to labour, and what is labour (if he was right) but the impetus to do two things: a) support oneself (the primary, most important entity in any animal's life) and b) make a change, a hopefully indelible mark on the world.
We warp our physical environment to suit us. It's only natural that we will warp our mental environment in the same way.
But let's keep things interesting. So far we have that to be human is to make choices, and to be revolting is to be Western. OK, that's facetious, to be revolting is to be self-obsessed (a value judgment, no? But since not being made by a Buddhist, I'll let you off). So what is the (broadly) Buddhist idea of what a human is and more importantly what a human's place is?
I say broadly because it would be one-dimensional in the extreme to suggest there's only one school of thought.
It's certainly my own prejudice but I put these people in my mind alongside those who campaign against... oh, let's say pornography, but basically spend their time steeped in it because there's a secret attraction.
Besides, I think what looks like "insistent superior modesty" may actually be a form of desperate struggle to make a mark on existence. Even Marx, who was more about the collective than the individual, felt that humans were born to labour, and what is labour (if he was right) but the impetus to do two things: a) support oneself (the primary, most important entity in any animal's life) and b) make a change, a hopefully indelible mark on the world.
We warp our physical environment to suit us. It's only natural that we will warp our mental environment in the same way.
But let's keep things interesting. So far we have that to be human is to make choices, and to be revolting is to be Western. OK, that's facetious, to be revolting is to be self-obsessed (a value judgment, no? But since not being made by a Buddhist, I'll let you off). So what is the (broadly) Buddhist idea of what a human is and more importantly what a human's place is?
I say broadly because it would be one-dimensional in the extreme to suggest there's only one school of thought.
Thinking about Western self-interest not just as individuals, but as a whole society... I remember at school, and from various other sources, reading that the printing press, that all important invention, first appeared in the mid 15th century (or there abouts).
It didn't at all - that was the first one in the West. The printing press was actually invented in China in 550AD. The first book printed was a copy of the Diamond Sutra.
Maybe this is what's taught now, I'm not sure. It's also very easy to accuse the American educational system of only teaching American history (which it does), but it's harder to realise that European schools only really teach European history, with a smattering of American. I learnt nothing of the Far East at school, and I went to pretty decent ones.
As a caveat, these are initial impressions which I haven't researched in detail. Maybe someone can correct these statements.
It didn't at all - that was the first one in the West. The printing press was actually invented in China in 550AD. The first book printed was a copy of the Diamond Sutra.
Maybe this is what's taught now, I'm not sure. It's also very easy to accuse the American educational system of only teaching American history (which it does), but it's harder to realise that European schools only really teach European history, with a smattering of American. I learnt nothing of the Far East at school, and I went to pretty decent ones.
As a caveat, these are initial impressions which I haven't researched in detail. Maybe someone can correct these statements.
A monk came and gave a talk at the Zen meditation group I go to today. He's a chilling guy, always with a big grin, like this :D
He gave an awesome talk. Nothing in it seemed to be amazingly new to me, but the way he put and explained things, and associated the ideas seemed somehow just right.
One of the things he talked about was desire. The main point was that desires are natural, and that suppressing them out of hand serves no purpose. Indeed, fulfilling our desires is fine and healthy (as long as they cause no harm to ourselves and others). When we're hungry, we desire to eat. This is natural.
The problem arises when we're driven by our desires, when we begin to crave and grasp after what we want. When we reach the culmination of this state, we can never fully satiate ourselves - the objects of desire become poisoned and despised, as we know that the fulfillment they give will be temporary at best. This is the same across all things - from spiritual practice, such as desiring results from our chosen path, to more worldly desires.
So, the key is to be able to make the choice, to fulfill or not to fulfill our desire. This is to be human.
He gave an awesome talk. Nothing in it seemed to be amazingly new to me, but the way he put and explained things, and associated the ideas seemed somehow just right.
One of the things he talked about was desire. The main point was that desires are natural, and that suppressing them out of hand serves no purpose. Indeed, fulfilling our desires is fine and healthy (as long as they cause no harm to ourselves and others). When we're hungry, we desire to eat. This is natural.
The problem arises when we're driven by our desires, when we begin to crave and grasp after what we want. When we reach the culmination of this state, we can never fully satiate ourselves - the objects of desire become poisoned and despised, as we know that the fulfillment they give will be temporary at best. This is the same across all things - from spiritual practice, such as desiring results from our chosen path, to more worldly desires.
So, the key is to be able to make the choice, to fulfill or not to fulfill our desire. This is to be human.
"What they do imply are various levels of satisfactoryness of existence, or different levels of suffering, but without judging whether the different levels are better or worse. "
this still bothers me... still trying to work out how something being more or less satisfactory is not making a value judgement...
this still bothers me... still trying to work out how something being more or less satisfactory is not making a value judgement...
Yes, but presumably the will only help them to change their lot to one that involves less suffering (or one that they have decided has), therefore making an implicit value judgment, whether they're conscious of it or not.
Just because you're not asking someone to change their life, or even saying they should, it doesn't mean you don't essentially think that there's a way of life that's better.
Just because you're not asking someone to change their life, or even saying they should, it doesn't mean you don't essentially think that there's a way of life that's better.
On the contrary, none of these realms are considered better or worse on an absolute scale. That's what's meant by not judging. The different realms are just recognitions of different states of consciousness - they don't imply an arbitrary value judgement.
What they do imply are various levels of satisfactoryness of existence, or different levels of suffering, but without judging whether the different levels are better or worse. That's the job of the person in each state to decide... and if they do decide they want to change their lot, then it's the job of the Bodhistavvas to help them with that.
As far as the term Hungry Ghost itself is concerned, it's a fairly direct translation from a language which exists within a completely different cultural environment than that of the west, and therefore it's probably not that useful to attempt to derive a semantic meaning from it...
What they do imply are various levels of satisfactoryness of existence, or different levels of suffering, but without judging whether the different levels are better or worse. That's the job of the person in each state to decide... and if they do decide they want to change their lot, then it's the job of the Bodhistavvas to help them with that.
As far as the term Hungry Ghost itself is concerned, it's a fairly direct translation from a language which exists within a completely different cultural environment than that of the west, and therefore it's probably not that useful to attempt to derive a semantic meaning from it...
Possibly fair was the wrong way of putting it, but even without judgment the implication that you have fallen short of the human realm (and there IS an implication of falling short because you are reaching for an ideal and being VERY judgemental, whether you realise it or not, by calling someone a "hungry ghost") is pretty insulting if you have no choice...
I'm not judging. :)
I'm not judging. :)
Well, if there's no judgement, the concept of 'fair' doesn't really apply any more, does it? :)
I'm quite aware there's no judgement in Buddhism, but I think what I was getting at is that taken to its logical conclusion, that means that a mentally ill person is no longer part of the human realm... neither is another other disabled person unable to make choices, neither are children.
Doesn't seem strictly fair, really!
I've met a buddhist monk before and he was indeed a deeply chilled and very funny character.
Doesn't seem strictly fair, really!
I've met a buddhist monk before and he was indeed a deeply chilled and very funny character.
I think the point is where you cease being able to choose, when you're driven by craving. That would probably coincide with the point when it becomes self-destructive. It's noticable that people who are driven by desire are usually unhappy and unfufilled in life.
To clarify further about being human, in Buddhist psychology (at least, in Tibetan Buddhism, but it's similar in Zen I think), there are six primary realms of consciousness. I can't remember them all, but three of them are
-- the human realm, where we're free to choose
-- the animal realm, where we react primarly to basic instincts
-- the hungry ghost realm, where we're driven by our desires
So, by loosing the ability to choose, through whatever means, we leave the human realm of consciosness and become a hungry ghost :) It's very similar to Frank Herbert's ideas in Dune, with the Bene Gesserit testing for humanity by seeing if people can overcome their instincts. I'm not sure if Herbert was a Buddhist or not.
One important thing to remember in all of this is that in Buddhism there's no inherent Right or Wrong. No one's judging you. A momentary lapse won't condemn you to damnation. Buddhism says more that it's teachings are designed (word deliberately used) to lead to a more compassionate, happy, fulfilled life. if you feel the teachings would benefit you, follow them... if not, don't.
Another important thing that the monk said was that you should take these things seriously, but that there's no point being pious or po-faced about them. There's no point if there's no joy, if we're getting twisted up about finer points. You'll notice that Buddhist monks are always grinning to themselves... :D
To clarify further about being human, in Buddhist psychology (at least, in Tibetan Buddhism, but it's similar in Zen I think), there are six primary realms of consciousness. I can't remember them all, but three of them are
-- the human realm, where we're free to choose
-- the animal realm, where we react primarly to basic instincts
-- the hungry ghost realm, where we're driven by our desires
So, by loosing the ability to choose, through whatever means, we leave the human realm of consciosness and become a hungry ghost :) It's very similar to Frank Herbert's ideas in Dune, with the Bene Gesserit testing for humanity by seeing if people can overcome their instincts. I'm not sure if Herbert was a Buddhist or not.
One important thing to remember in all of this is that in Buddhism there's no inherent Right or Wrong. No one's judging you. A momentary lapse won't condemn you to damnation. Buddhism says more that it's teachings are designed (word deliberately used) to lead to a more compassionate, happy, fulfilled life. if you feel the teachings would benefit you, follow them... if not, don't.
Another important thing that the monk said was that you should take these things seriously, but that there's no point being pious or po-faced about them. There's no point if there's no joy, if we're getting twisted up about finer points. You'll notice that Buddhist monks are always grinning to themselves... :D
May I ask a question? What is the point at which you cross from being driven by desires in an ordinary sense to being driven by them in an obsessive sense (assuming you're still not doing any harm to others). Is it the point at which you're doing harm to yourself? Just curious.
But... if it is to be human to be able to make that choice, if for any reason you become incapable of making that choice, through circumstances, illness or even, and this is the key one, a lack of motivation to bother, does that mean you stop being human?
But... if it is to be human to be able to make that choice, if for any reason you become incapable of making that choice, through circumstances, illness or even, and this is the key one, a lack of motivation to bother, does that mean you stop being human?
the idea is to provide parties for free as a /public service/. if one person benifits and has a good time then the aim has been fulfilled. quite amazing that someone isn't doing this already, but maybe there is .. who knows ??
q: what is the difference between this and a free party ?
a: these are focussed on stimulation and liberation and pure enjoyment, with the principal factor being the motivation and intended results, rather than the means. its not an idea to promote a certain type of culture, ideology or music, .. but **basta** !!
q: what is the difference between this and a free party ?
a: these are focussed on stimulation and liberation and pure enjoyment, with the principal factor being the motivation and intended results, rather than the means. its not an idea to promote a certain type of culture, ideology or music, .. but **basta** !!
Here in Bristol we have carnivals and free festivals. The best festival is Ashton Court though, which charges a nominal fee. This is a place where the aim stated above is acheived. All the people there belong to you, for your fun and joy.
How about this for a highly interactive experiment?
The central point would be to confront people with how easily (and accurately) they are put into demographic groups which are in turn exploited for marketing purposes. In other words, how a company can reduce a person to a category and use that category to manipulate them into buying a product or range of products.
Quite how one would do this I don't know. Maybe just write catgories down on bits of card and go around pinning them to people... although, unfortunately, this is likely to cause trouble (if not mayhem). It could be limited to a gallery space where people would be more willing to participate (although of course you've then limited the number of demographics present and limited the scope of the experiment). Audience participation is essential one way or another though. You could ask people to fill out surveys, and then give them a list of all the targeted marketing that would result from their answers.
Once the experiement is finished there could be all kinds of material output.
The central point would be to confront people with how easily (and accurately) they are put into demographic groups which are in turn exploited for marketing purposes. In other words, how a company can reduce a person to a category and use that category to manipulate them into buying a product or range of products.
Quite how one would do this I don't know. Maybe just write catgories down on bits of card and go around pinning them to people... although, unfortunately, this is likely to cause trouble (if not mayhem). It could be limited to a gallery space where people would be more willing to participate (although of course you've then limited the number of demographics present and limited the scope of the experiment). Audience participation is essential one way or another though. You could ask people to fill out surveys, and then give them a list of all the targeted marketing that would result from their answers.
Once the experiement is finished there could be all kinds of material output.
Exactly.
Aye, well, everything is subjective and all questions lead... but that's okay, as I think the best idea is to try to establish which group a person belongs to, based on the groups that marketing firms use, and the techniques that they use to put them in those groups. So, there's not even a pretence at objectiveness, but there is a pretence of accurately estimating what an ad agency would do... or something like that :)
Then, as you say, we can compare those results with what people say about themselves.
Then, as you say, we can compare those results with what people say about themselves.
Yes, that is what was originally meant, and I take your point about both being controlled in some way, but the information we provide for people to answer themselves can be a lot more self-consciously broad (and perhaps include a category for what groups people think they belong to, and lots of open space to add what you will) then our judgement about what people's appearance tells us which has to be subjective.
I think you have to accept a level of loaded dice, here, even asking the questions is subjective because it tells the world that we are interested. Anything that is observed is changed, all we can do is minimise interference.
I think you have to accept a level of loaded dice, here, even asking the questions is subjective because it tells the world that we are interested. Anything that is observed is changed, all we can do is minimise interference.
That's an interesting distinction - who's doing the judging?
If we were simply to get people to fill in forms, we'd still be the ones making the decisions, based on the information provided. In the case of sniping them, the information in question would be derived from how the look, dress, et cetera.
Of course, we could just ask them as well (maybe this is what was originally meant), but then I doubt many of them would give a straight answer, or even know what kind of answer to give...
If we were simply to get people to fill in forms, we'd still be the ones making the decisions, based on the information provided. In the case of sniping them, the information in question would be derived from how the look, dress, et cetera.
Of course, we could just ask them as well (maybe this is what was originally meant), but then I doubt many of them would give a straight answer, or even know what kind of answer to give...
Whilst a good, if troublesome, idea, the sniper effect gives us a different set of data.
The first experiment tells us what consumers brand themselves.
The second what we brand them.
Let's do both and compare the results!
The first experiment tells us what consumers brand themselves.
The second what we brand them.
Let's do both and compare the results!
Or you could use the supermarket's typical scheme for dishing out reward points - use your market research data to give them coupons for things they never buy.
At the opposite (and much more militant) extreme of interaction, covert snipers could make demographic judgements about people by how they're dressed, what bags they're carrying, what style they're subscribing too, and shot them with paint balls of different colours accordingly. There could be keys to the different colours dotted around the vicinity so people could see what they'd been branded as. It would be interesting to see if people got sniped with more than one colour at a time - it would give an idea of the error levels in the experiment.
On the other hand, you're a lot more likely to get in trouble doing something such as this :) Hum, maybe back to more practical thinking...
At the opposite (and much more militant) extreme of interaction, covert snipers could make demographic judgements about people by how they're dressed, what bags they're carrying, what style they're subscribing too, and shot them with paint balls of different colours accordingly. There could be keys to the different colours dotted around the vicinity so people could see what they'd been branded as. It would be interesting to see if people got sniped with more than one colour at a time - it would give an idea of the error levels in the experiment.
On the other hand, you're a lot more likely to get in trouble doing something such as this :) Hum, maybe back to more practical thinking...
A certain amount of spontaneity might help... you can't make people do it unless they are the usual willing participant type, but there's basically two ways of encouraging interaction.
a) Make it easy to join in.
So, perhaps, stage it in the middle of some gallery event ostensibly for other reasons (would have been interesting to pull a stunt like that in front of the guy who was dismantling everything he owned to make a point about consumerism, something of a double whammy, methinks). People are more likely to go with the flow when it requires minimal effort, don't you think?
b) Bribe them.
In a wonderfully, subversively ironic twist,
offer them some kind of consumer perk, directly related to their answers, as a reward
for taking part.
Then tell them their reward is knowing which
demographic they fit. ;)
a) Make it easy to join in.
So, perhaps, stage it in the middle of some gallery event ostensibly for other reasons (would have been interesting to pull a stunt like that in front of the guy who was dismantling everything he owned to make a point about consumerism, something of a double whammy, methinks). People are more likely to go with the flow when it requires minimal effort, don't you think?
b) Bribe them.
In a wonderfully, subversively ironic twist,
offer them some kind of consumer perk, directly related to their answers, as a reward
for taking part.
Then tell them their reward is knowing which
demographic they fit. ;)
Fair points... the question, of course, remains - how would this actually be done, bearing in mind that you need audience interaction, and need to include more than just the kind of people who are generally willing to take part in crazy experiments?
Teenagers one, two, three hundred years ago were adults, so no, they simply didn't have the freedom of being treated like self-aware egocentric children for so much longer (unlike children who are completely egocentric but don't know about it; for them, the world really DOES revolve around them.
The idea of the exceptions fitting rather neatly was more or less what I was trying to get at. My theory was that ultimately the exceptions would prove to be either self-consciously deluded about their lack of fit or... no, that was it.
The idea of the exceptions fitting rather neatly was more or less what I was trying to get at. My theory was that ultimately the exceptions would prove to be either self-consciously deluded about their lack of fit or... no, that was it.
Doubtless there are exceptions - either those that simply don't fit into any easily defined groups, or fit into so many that the data becomes useless.
I suspect however that it's more than likely that those who like to think they don't fit into a group, or make a deliberate effort not to, actually fot rather neatly (although no doubt there are also exceptions to this rule also).
Has anyone ever suspected that the idea of the teenage rebellion is just a marketing gimmick? Did teenage one, two or three hundred years ago have rebellions to? Don't think so somehow...
I suspect however that it's more than likely that those who like to think they don't fit into a group, or make a deliberate effort not to, actually fot rather neatly (although no doubt there are also exceptions to this rule also).
Has anyone ever suspected that the idea of the teenage rebellion is just a marketing gimmick? Did teenage one, two or three hundred years ago have rebellions to? Don't think so somehow...
What would really be interesting is to then single out those people who claim NOT to fit into the demographic assigned and find out whether this is because they're actively fighting it or whether there are genuine exceptions to the rule (there must be?) and as such WHY they are exceptions.
I'd like to know if I'm right about which target groups overlap and how, as well.
I'd like to know if I'm right about which target groups overlap and how, as well.
contented
at least there appears to be a whit in attendence. if they're a legendary whit and ranconteur that would be even better...
... to ideas box. Go on, confront the blank page and type something in.
A faq will online within a day or two, and the search and sort features will be installed when there are enough ideas to make it worth it.
In the meantime - ideas box is an experiment in online interactivity, a kind of a group notebook, world-wide brainstorming session, or community memory. It's for whatever you want it to be for, and it'll go in whichever way the community wants to take it.
So go ahead, communicate.
In the meantime - ideas box is an experiment in online interactivity, a kind of a group notebook, world-wide brainstorming session, or community memory. It's for whatever you want it to be for, and it'll go in whichever way the community wants to take it.
So go ahead, communicate.
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